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Runner Triathlete News [ return ] From Message tgarr 8/04/2004 14:14:43 Subject: RE: Penguin interview? IP: Logged Message: As I said the first time, I have no problem with what he is trying to do. I have a problem with your explaination of your own self-importance. First of all if the cost aren't so high less entry actually goes to putting on the race, races of old didn't need a ton of sponsorship because they didn't cost as much to put on. This is because most races were over in 4-5 hours not nine. Your argument about the 14,000 runners these programs add ot the Houston marathon shows you aren't very clued into what your talking about, or you just choose to lie to prove your point. I think you need to re-think the number you are using. These groups may keep us out of the park but as I said they also drive the cost of running up, and increase hostility toward running. My problem with your post is not that you exist, but that you actually think you are saving all of us money by existing. Running Frog 8/04/2004 15:45:11 RE: Penguin interview? IP: Logged Message: I apologize. The number is not 14,000. The number for 2004 is 12,084, for the number of finishers for the 5K, half marathon and marathon. I think they cash those checks and use the funds to pay for the day's events, too. I was just making a point about people slamming John Bingham. My point was challenged. I replied and tried to clarify some, but now have been called a self important liar. My problem is not that you exist, either. It's that you are needlessly hostile. Also, you are a little presumptuous. I ran my first marathon last year in the 3:30 range. Blazing? No, but I will improve greatly in 2005. My point of view is that these extra people pay for the big area of the city that we get to cover here in Houston, which is fine by me. I can see you and I will never agree on the economics, which is okay by me. Our big difference seems that I am not going to stoop to questioning your character because I don't agree with you. How old are you? tgarr 8/04/2004 16:21:32 RE: Penguin interview? IP: Logged Message: In asking how old I am you have stooped to question my character. Something you said you wouldn't do right? I offered two possiblities, one, you had the numbers wrong, or two you were lying. Funny how you focused on the second. How old am I? Old enough to know that trying to claim these programs support the race and using total numbers of finishers for all three races as that indicator assumes that every single finisher in all three races was in one of the programs. Again either you have your facts wrong, or you're lying, I leave the answer up to you. I think what you mean to say is that a significant number of finishers were members of a training program. How old are you???? Running Frog 8/04/2004 16:42:18 RE: Penguin interview? IP: Logged Message: It's not a question of character; it's a question of maturity. From the original post, referencing the groups gave you a picture of the slower, former couch potato, or recent fitness junkie that has no hope of victory by the terms of the typical Bingham Basher. Again: Forget the groups. When I mentioned them, you knew who I was talking about. I mean and maintain that these people make a larger cash pool that pays for the secure race course that covers so much of the inner loop. We haven't mentioned the charities that benefit, too. Large numbers of people=large corporate sponsorship=not running on a trail in Bear Creek, Memorial or any other park. The fact that you don't agree with me is fine. Just stop calling me a liar. King Kong 8/04/2004 16:49:58 RE: Penguin interview? IP: Logged Message: I'm a pengiun basher for this reason: he sells people short. He encourages people to underachieve. He demeans competitive runners. What if you took the penguin's approach to your job? It would sound something like this: You're never going to be the CEO, so why bother trying? Just keep plugging away at your minimum wage job. Don't take any initiative to improve yourself. Who cares about promotions or raises? What you lose in compensation you'll gain in bliss and self awareness. Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it? Well, it's equally stupid when applied to running. That, my friends, is why the penguin sucks. tgarr 8/04/2004 17:37:35 RE: Penguin interview? IP: Logged Message: So is it mature to question my age, or my maturity. Sounds like you want to spout off stats, that aren't really true and then blame someone else when they question you about them. Again how do those groups impact the marathon, that was your first argument that has now morphed into something else. When questioning the need for maturity perhaps you should look at yourself first. Spooner 8/04/2004 18:57:59 RE: Penguin interview? IP: Logged Message: Comparing running to a job? Thats hilarious, I work to make money and a living, so natually will do whats necessary. I run to have fun, be mindful, enjoy the moment. I run for life, I like running, so I don't let all the "unreal runners" control my emotions. I will be running well into my senior life, because I don't overly push and get stressed, causing injuries to stop my running. I challenge myself, not other runners. All the aggressive "Real Runners" can hog the track at Memorial, all I ask is my little piece to be able to run, sweat, and smile. John Bingham, has great points, you just have to be smart enough to get them. Running Frog 8/04/2004 21:01:09 RE: Penguin interview? IP: Logged Message: No, no, no. I stated an opinion. That's all. I said 14,000, which was an incorrect number. I restated it clearly to the number of finishers for all of the marathon day events, admitting the error. My opinion is that all of these 12,084 people make it possible to grab the attention of a very major corporation for sponsorship. I also said we disagree about that opinion and that is fine. What morphed was when you began calling me a self important liar. Remember? That is a sign of bad judgement, which is a question if maturity, not of character. To the other guy: Read my posts, and for that matter, read John Bingham's columns. They are not about competitive runners, so that does not demean them in any way. tgarr 8/05/2004 04:14:14 RE: Penguin interview? IP: Logged Message: For the third time, I said you either were wrong about the numbers or you were lying, you admit you were wrong so that should have been the end of it, but being the one lacking maturity, you still continue to claim that I called you a liar. Check both of the post again, now go to bed your parents want to use the computer. Running Frog 8/05/2004 08:25:33 RE: Penguin interview? IP: Logged Message: You kill me. Your pattern of demeaning people just because they don't agree with you on something is amusing. I continue to question your maturity even more after the last post, which is just silly. This has been going back and forth because you have furthered the issue. Two posts ago you were still asking if I was trying to say that a large number of the marathon finishers were in those groups. I replied that no, these were only used as a device that you could get a picture of the type of runner I spoke of. I have never blamed you for anything. I have stated over and over that we obviously disagree, and that is fine. I think if you go back and read these exchanges over you will see that I stated an opinion, and have done little more than make an effort at clarification. I offer an apology about bringing up the maturity thing. That really seemed to cut you, so I apologize. <<Previous Page P 2 Next Page>>

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